JdeBP a day ago

There's a whole subculture for fonts smaller than 8 by 8, with real world uses for things such as small LED displays, for example. This is at the extreme end, though.

Also https://stormgold.itch.io/picket-right-font

  • evanb 20 hours ago

    I can think of a font that’s only 1 pixel high. Invented by Samuel Morse, takes a bit of practice to read :)

    • hnlmorg 19 hours ago

      That’s really more of an encoding than a typeface. Like ASCII and Unicode.

      But I guess if you can build fonts that generate barcodes, and fonts that have LLMs built in, then you could design a 1 pixel high font that uses Morse code to represent most ASCII characters.

      • tomjakubowski 10 hours ago

        What is a typeface if not a specification for pixel encoding of text? You put text into the typeface, and you get pixel data out of it.

    • panarchy 7 hours ago

      Ah the internet where you can make a lighthearted joke and immediately get um-actually'd by multiple people.

    • ocdtrekkie 19 hours ago

      Bad kerning on that font would be incredibly problematic though.

    • Minor49er 19 hours ago

      This is like claiming that Esperanto is a font

      • bbarnett 17 hours ago

        Somehow, this feels like a good description for how William Shatner speaks Esperanto.

  • omoikane a day ago

    I wonder if there are really tiny fonts that make use of color. For example, this 2-pixel wide Picket Right font could theoretically be even thinner if we were to use sub-pixel features.

    At least, I think the 2-pixel high Two Slice font can be more legible with some anti-aliasing.

  • Dwedit 16 hours ago

    With the gap, it's effectively three pixels wide. Basically a 3x5 font with one pixel chopped off.

    On some displays, you can also divide RGB into three subpixels (R, G, and B stripes). A 3x5 pixel font (9x5 subpixels) can be drawn as a 6x5 subpixel font instead (a 2x5 pixel font).

  • malnourish a day ago

    Thanks for sharing this. I enjoy seeing these cool subcultures; they evoke the hacker ethos.

  • iguessthislldo a day ago

    That one is relatively easier to read, I guess because it looks like normal font that was cut into strips.

    • HarHarVeryFunny 16 hours ago

      Not sure about one font vs the other, but that one seems easiest to read from a highly oblique angle since that makes it look more similar to what it would do if half wasn't missing... Unless I'm just gaslighting myself and find it easier to read that way because I was expecting that it would be easier!

    • typpilol a day ago

      Ya literally I could make out 85% quickly.

      The linked one is unreadable at all to me lol

      • Dilettante_ 19 hours ago

        That's really interesting, for me it was the other way around.

  • hdjrudni a day ago

    > such as small LED displays

    The highest DPI screen is 127,000 PPI. You could fit over 14,000 lines of 8x8 text in a single inch tall screen.

    For reference, a decent monitor is 140 PPI.

    I'm pretty sure we don't need to go below 8x8 if physical size is the issue.

    • crq-yml a day ago

      Pad grid controllers like the Novation Launchpad, and its indie, open-source counterpart, Mystrix Pro, have an 8x8 grid. At first this style of controller didn't use any lights, but as the manufacturing and features progressed, they went towards one RGB LED per pad. So, of course, you end up doing some text and graphics on the resulting grid. Mystrix uses a scrolling marquee which isn't ideal, but does get the job done.

      And yeah, you could throw on more hardware to have a display nearby and use that for text. That is not the problem being solved though.

      • scottyeager 18 hours ago

        I just did some code to display digits on my APC Mini's 8x8 light grid: https://github.com/scottyeager/pressed/blob/main/controllers...

        By using the three available colors on my older model, I was able to render numbers up to 199 in a readable way. Two digits on the right are 8x3 and one on the left is 8x2. I quickly abandoned two pixels of width as impossible for making legible text for all digits, so seeing a full font at two pixels wide is a fun surprise.

        Thanks for the tip on Mystrix—looks neat.

    • bongodongobob a day ago

      No, small LED displays with like 25 ppi. Think arduino/embedded.

jl6 a day ago

I think readability is helped a lot by the low entropy of English words and sentences, i.e. if you can’t make out one letter, you’ll probably get it anyway from the context.

It’s not so readable if you test it with random strings.

  • HarHarVeryFunny 20 hours ago

    I think it's partly because we recognize letters, and whole words, by glyph shape more than specific identity. Obviously a 2x2 grid can only depict 16 different patterns, but we're trying to recognize whole words, not arbitrary letter sequences, and the sequence of shapes (hence letter possibilities) is evidentially enough, a bit like reading crappy handwriting.

    It's interesting how we can do this with this 2x2 font immediately without any training, but I suppose reading in general has provided enough training, and ability to read this 2x2 font just provides some insight as to how word perception works.

    • tremon 20 hours ago

      Most letters are 2x3 px, the letter m is even 2x5. And I wouldn't say that I could comfortably read this, it was closer to deciphering than reading.

      • HarHarVeryFunny 19 hours ago

        True, but it's interesting that we can quickly decipher/read it at all. It seems to be a typical case of human perception where top-down prediction (maybe of visual word forms?) meets bottom-up sensory input, and we've gained enough experience of this (reading different fonts, handwriting, various lighting, etc) that this particular type of impoverished input doesn't pose much challenge.

    • NBJack 19 hours ago

      I believe it's in part because of our experience reading things at angles. In this case, it looks to me like letters tilted backwards on a table, and I'm peering at them just above their horizon. Legible, but not comfortable.

te0006 a day ago

This brings back fond memories from the 8-bit era. Tasword II was a text processor for the Sinclair ZX Spectrum where the developers resorted to extra-narrow fonts to cope with the Speccy's very limited (256x192) screen resolution. The lower screenshot in [1] provides a glimpse of what seems to be a 3px wide font.

OP's 2px width are a bit too extreme for my taste though.

[1] https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/entry/4000080/Timex/Tasword_...

  • mrspuratic a day ago

    One of the first Spectrum emulators (JPP?) used a VGA text mode with 2 pixel high font where each character was its own ordinal, i.e. 65 was two rows of 01000001 pixels. That meant you could draw individual rows bytewise exactly as the Spectrum did, and just take care of the Y offset bit shuffle, and fake the colour clash.

  • reaperducer a day ago

    Similar to VIP Term on the Commodore 64, which used a 3x7 bitmap font in a 4x8 space to display 80-column text.

    I don't know is any word processors did that, though, except in printer preview mode.

    • classichasclass 9 hours ago

      Pocket Writer (version 2, at least). Used it heavily for term papers.

K0balt a day ago

White space around each letter is completely critical for fonts like this. That makes this font 4x4 as presented, or 3x4 but you lose a lot of readability—too much imho.

The exception to this would be a physical manifestation, where each 2x3 pixel block was surrounded by a dead space, so that the display was actually optimised for this font configuration.

Still, that’s an impressive accomplishment, allowing a 16x32 character display on a sub 1$ oled, and 10x18 on a 3$ integrated computer with built in display.

Nice work.

For anyone actually thinking of using tiny fonts in a practical project, imho 4x5 (3x4 plus padding) is about as small as it gets for a font that doesn’t require extra work to read, giving 1 pixel of (violable) padding bottom and right. Unlike the OP font, it only needs 1px of top padding to be perfectly readable, so you are actually getting “free” readability compared to needing top+bottom padding like the OP font.

  • gliptic a day ago

    Glyph advance or line spacing is not part of the bitmaps.

    • K0balt a day ago

      I get that, but it figures in when you actually put this on pixels. I’m thinking about practical use of such a font, most likely on a pixel-constrained screen, otherwise you would use a higher definition font.

      It’s a cool hack, and for someone actually using little fonts like I do in real world devices it’s very interesting.

      I find that you can actually go 4x5 (including padding) and still have great readability. Any less and you have to work to read it.

      • bigmadshoe 9 hours ago

        By this definition every n x n font is actually (n + 1) x (n + 1), but that isn’t the convention and fonts are never displayed with 0px vertical or horizontal spacing between letters.

        • K0balt 7 hours ago

          I see you didn’t grow up in the 8 bit age lol.

          Early computers usually displayed characters directly mapped to the screen, with no space between them. There wasn’t enough memory to store a bit for each pixel, so they stored only the characters and wrote them out one line at a time from the ROM character map. Sometimes, you could define a few characters in RAM as well. Then if you were lucky there were “sprites”, characters that could be mapped at arbitrary alignments and sometimes even rotations “on top of” the existing character map.

          This is how you got a 32x64 display (often only 32x32) mapped into 2k of RAM, instead of the 16k it would take if the pixels were stored— a time when 8k RAM total was pretty standard, and 16k was a lot. Then, color became a thing and ate up a lot of memory, so even with 64k nobody was generally mapping fonts onto a pixel background. That’s why you switched to graphics modes etc.

          This is also why you will find a bunch of 8x8 pixel fonts out there that have blank rows and columns built into them for spacing. It’s still very common for imbedded work, where you often have screen sizes like 64x128 and other small pixel counts, when you are trying for maximum readable density.

          You can still find these fonts in the text-only display modes when you are in the POST routines off many PCs, if you unhide them in the bios…. But many BIOSs are graphics mode only now so even that is getting hard to find. Still there when booting Linux though, if you escape out of the splash screen.

kstrauser a day ago

I'm blown away. I'd have sworn that wasn't possible. It's brilliant. Bravo.

  • imcritic a day ago

    [flagged]

    • umanwizard a day ago

      Do you think anyone is suggesting this should actually be used for a practical purpose?

    • sniffers a day ago

      Idiotic seems strong. It's an art piece, is it simply not to your taste in art?

      • EGreg a day ago

        Exactly. My taste in art skews idiotic, so what! :)

      • imcritic a day ago

        I am worried someone would use that somewhere thinking it's so artsy. This better not exist at all.

addaon a day ago

Capital H is cursed... unconnected pixels, indistinguishable from 'ii' or "II". The concept's cool, but for this one point the wrong choice was made.

  • PenguinRevolver a day ago

    Try reading "HiGh sky buys The lies" in the font. Pretty difficult to make out what it says...

    • jibcage a day ago

      I think most of what makes this font readable is the user using context to sort of guess at what the word could be.

      If you start writing things that aren’t sentences normal people would use (or especially if you start mixing case) it doesn’t hold up. Still interesting for a “normal” use case though.

  • jasonjmcghee a day ago

    I'm more concerned about V X Y all being identical.

    How will I know if it's waxy or wavy?

    • throwaway808081 a day ago

      Like all of language: context.

      Why would hair be like 80s synthpop, or potatoes be in any way related to a by-product of honey?

      • xboxnolifes a day ago

        Hair can be either waxy or wavy or both.

        • IshKebab a day ago

          Her long blond waxy hair blew in the wind.

          Context.

          • jonathrg a day ago

            Her wa[]y hair was a challenge for the hairdresser

            • IshKebab a day ago

              I'm not saying the context always disambiguates it. You can have ambiguous sentences even with perfect fonts.

              • oneeyedpigeon 21 hours ago

                The judge delivered an ambiguous sentence.

          • lelanthran a day ago

            > Her long blond waxy hair blew in the wind.

            Same question as GP - how can you tell if that was meant to be waxy or wavy?

            • IshKebab a day ago

              From the context. Long hair blowing in the wind is a description of beautiful hair. Wavy hair is beautiful; waxy hair is not.

              This is very obvious to most people.

              • Biganon a day ago

                "I'll have you know that some people find waxy hair beautifully therefore your example is invalid and I am very intelligent"

                :nerd:

nikkwong a day ago

I wonder what the minimum resolution of Chinese characters is. It’s definitely more than 2px tall.

librasteve 19 hours ago

I eagerly await the use of this font in Microsoft’s new EULA

rtrgrd a day ago

Very cool - note that lowercase b, l and h are the same

Eric_WVGG a day ago

Really like that zero glyph. I wonder if, instead of Roman numerals, one could use ligatures to encode numeric strings as binary… 42 as 010101

(I sort of randomly picked 42, didn't know it was such an interesting string… Douglas Adams must have known that)

  • sugarkjube a day ago

    101010 - I'm guessing you know, and want to find out how long it takes for someone to notice and respond.

    • Eric_WVGG 20 hours ago

      ah, I never actually bothered to read up on binary notation. I only know it via party tricks (counting to a thousand on two hands)

    • hidroto a day ago

      little endian vs big endian.

      • FabHK 21 hours ago

        Also, typing it out while you run the algo in your head: 42 even -> 0, 21 odd -> 1, 10 even -> 0, 5 odd -> 1, 2 even -> 0, 1 odd -> 1.

Cloudef 20 hours ago

Trying to read the text produced by this font makes my brain hurt

Jowsey a day ago

Some of the characters/words (particularly "c"/"can") sort of look like they've been cropped from the top, trusting the brain to fill in the bottom half. Reminds me of what Sandisk did with the "S" in their redesign. I wonder if there's any research behind this?

NooneAtAll3 a day ago

I was so confused why "o" in the example was wider than "o" written myself - until I understood that example has it capitalized... That seems useless

Lalo-ATX 16 hours ago

I wonder what happens if you allow greyscale, even if just 2-4 bits per pixel

strawberrysauce 19 hours ago

Wow, can't be used as a braille alternative that people with sight can also understand?

  • pclmulqdq 19 hours ago

    It can be used as a braille alternative that blind people can't even read.

  • a3w 19 hours ago

    Observation:

    Braille is 3 px in height. But only 2 px wide and monospaced, while this font is variable width.

    Oh, and several characters share representation in this, say other threads here.

kps 19 hours ago

X has had a 2 pixel bitmap font, `nil2`, from time immemorial (i.e. it's in X10).

shakna a day ago

> You can probably read this, even if you wish you couldn't.

Um... Nope. I can't.

I can get some of the letters, but not most of them, unfortunately.

Love the concept, and the art, that goes into things like this. But I just cannot read it.*

* I have nerve problems in my eyes. I'm not legally blind... Most of the time.

  • jader201 a day ago

    Yeah, a lot of words/letters made sense, but I definitely had to use some deduction to read it.

    Interesting, and given the limitation, it’s quite impressive.

    But I think “probably” is optimistic. I’d say “possibly” is more realistic.

  • IshKebab a day ago

    It's not easy but I definitely could read it. It's easier if you don't try and read each word fully before continuing.

ccvannorman 18 hours ago

finally, my vim window can hold 200+ lines on my laptop screen!

wingmanjd a day ago

I wish I had this back capability when I used to program my TI graphing calculators back in highschool!

magackame a day ago

I wonder if it's possible to train to read text encoded as one colored pixel per letter, or even per token.

  • userbinator a day ago

    Given how people can learn languages, absolutely yes.

BSOhealth a day ago

I love this. It speaks to me in a similar ways as a lot of the AI zeitgeist—why shouldn’t we optimize for how the brain actually operates at scale versus hundreds-years-old ideas about ligatures designed for reading in candlelight? (In the AI case, a romanticism for having to learn and prove memory in such a rote way)

BobbyTables2 20 hours ago

Wonder if any OCR implementations can read it!

matznerd a day ago

okay but what about "c" being nearly the same as "z", neither of which look like the character and are nearly(?) identical. Is our brain supposed to just be able to figure it out?

  • sharkjacobs a day ago

    O and 0 are very similar in lots of typefaces. And I and l and 1. Even u and v. Your brain's pretty good at figuring it out. Context helps a lot.

    • efreak 8 hours ago

      With narrow spacing and poor kerning it can get much worse, especially if you're reading printed text; I've seen some extremely bad fonts used in print, (usually in italics or titles, but sometimes in the body text as well): m and rn, cl and d, lo and b, jo and p, ijl1, GC0OQ, italic Q2.

  • cal85 a day ago

    yeah I can read it ok

ant6n a day ago

Well I think to make fonts like these legible, the trick is to use texts as examples that the readers already know, then you don’t really need to recognize very letter, but just the one here and there to keep up overall recognition. It also helps to focus on letters that are most readable.

But tongue in cheek humor aside, this is a neat accomplishment. It’s a great idea to stretch the letters out in width, greatly improves readability. (Earlier approaches Fokus a lot on trying to stay square, which doesn’t really work at this size)

eipipuz a day ago

Is it just me or the s Z and z S should be swapped?

  • Minor49er 18 hours ago

    You're right. The capitals look fine, but the lowercased versions look swapped. I think this is because the creator decided to cut the spines for the uppercases and crop out the arms for lowercases. Since the arms and spine point in opposite directions for "s" and "z", it really hurts their identification

sehugg a day ago

The Atari 2600 had pretty good vertical resolution (assuming you could set up the next line in 76 cycles) but limited horizontal resolution. A 3x5 font is possible, but good luck distinguishing N from M.

This font seems to use characters up to 5 pixels wide, which helps with its near-legibility.

notorandit a day ago

It is readable in English with quite some training and context. Many characters have the same representation.

I for one would say this is not generally usable and has a limited scope.

Interesting nonetheless.

komali2 a day ago

xyv, bl, hi, in various cap/uncapped formats, are the same characters or nearly indistiguishable. I'm trying to craft the most unreadable sentence possible. I got as far as "Hi, THe czech's bliss is exact"

brador a day ago

It says in all caps: “YOU CAN PROBABLY READ THIS, EVEN IF YOU WISH YOU COULDN'T. IT TENDS TO BE EASIER TO READ AT SMALLER SIZES.”

shmerl a day ago

I can't really read anything with that, so somewhat readable is very moot.

kelvinquee a day ago

Love this. Brings so much joy. Try some punctuation. Hilarity ensues.

crm9125 a day ago

Cool. I hate it.

qmr 20 hours ago

Thanks, I hate it.